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Tuesday, March 5, 2013

what would giuliana and bill do?


I know, I know.

Consult with CCRM.
So that is exactly what we're going to do, my friends.

I adore G&B, in case I haven't told you. When we first started having trouble conceiving, a few of my former co-workers told me about their show. Once, I found it, I was hooked. Especially when they were cycling. And I think they are extremely brave, as celebrities, to put their infertility out there for all the world to see. Especially when most celebs are silent when they experience infertility. It helps to raise awareness for of the struggle that so many of us endure to have a family. 

When G&B switched clinics to CCRM, I compared all of the different US clinic's success rates and CCRM was pretty impressive. However, we decided to move forward with the clinic in our area whose numbers were also very good. But after my cancelled cycle, I lost a tiny bit of faith. 

I was bummed that I had to ask my doctor to test my AMH level to ensure that I didn't have diminished ovarian reserve. My test came back normal, by the way. So that is a big relief. Then I came across this article basically stating that the long Lupron protocol for IVF doesn't work well on people with low BMI. Lovely, I have low BMI.

So why, I ask myself, did my doctor do that protocol? I know it works for "most" people and they don't know how you're going to respond to the drugs until you're on them. But still. I trusted 110% for the first IVF attempt and now I'm starting to wonder if I should start asking a few more questions. Do a little more research on my own. Maybe get a second opinion?

We will likely stay with our clinic for this next IVF attempt but I want a second opinion from Dr. Schoolcraft at CCRM. Hopefully he will recommend the exact same protocol as my doctor is planning to do next. But if he doesn't, I want to know why he would do it differently. It will give me some information to question my doctor. I just don't want to have any regrets.

My unwavering hope that this next IVF will work has not returned. Maybe it's because I have some work to do so that I can feel comfortable again...at least as comfortable as one can feel in this situation. So that's the haps on the IVF front.

31 comments:

suzanne said...

I just made a phone consultation with Dr. Schoolcraft yesterday for mid-May. I know I shouldn't be planning as if my IVF isn't going to work, but I'd rather have the consult scheduled rather than trying to get it worked in months down the road. I think it's a great plan!!

Lauren Thomas said...

I am a huge lover of G&B! I have bawled through so many of their episodes...especially once they finally had Duke! Ah....it's just refreshing finding others going through some of the same struggles. sometimes the infertility journey feels so lonely.

Just T said...

There were so many times through our journey when I wished we could go to CCRM. We live in Oklahoma so the travel wouldn't be bad. After all our failed treatments the RE finally referred us over there for ivf with pgd. By then we were tapped out. I think you are making a great decision by at least getting a second opinion. Can't wait to hear what they say. Good luck!

Charity said...

I think a second opinion sounds great and doing your own research never hurts. We haven't pushed into IVF yet we are hoping to start our first cycle this spring. But if not for my own research and uneasiness that God placed in me I would still be wasting thousands of dollars with my Doctor who thought IUI's would work for me even after doing 6. Have faith in God and know his voice because if he doesn't give us peace with something it's often a sign not to move forward until we have said Peace. I will be praying for you.

Carolynn Markey said...

Good luck. I will pray for Gods will. I am also trying to conceive and my husband/ I know that we haven't been trying very long (been one month...) so I probably cannot fully understand your frustration and fears--but I wanted to let you know I am praying for you.

Erika said...

Loooove G&B!! There was a marathon on this weekend. I may have watched a few (dozen) episodes.

JenS said...

I look back at my first IVF the same way. I trusted the RE completely and didn't really research or ask questions. My husband always researches everything and for some reason with this we just put our faith in the doctor. I'm not sure why. Now I realize that first cycle should have been cancelled since I was a poor responder but I didn't know any better at the time. After that we became the annoying couple who was always asking about some study or some treatment we had read about on the internet. I think it's a great idea to get a 2nd opinion from CCRM. You have to be your own advocate.

Katie said...

i love that show and love those two. they actually went to the same ivf place for their first time that we've gone to. it is scary because you really are putting so much into their hands that you should feel confident and trust them.

Catherine said...

I love your "what would giuliana and bill do" question. My husband and I love to watch their show, and often draw inspiration from the two of them. That is so wonderful that you all have decided to get a consult there and move forward with another IVF attempt. I get frustrated when I ask my RE to do certain tests and he shrugs it off. Things are looking up for you, congrats!

nogoodeggs said...

I really enjoy their show too! They are super brave to be so honest about this - and I wish MORE celebs would talk about their IF and use of donors and surrogates! Have you read their book? Its cute!

Hope you get some good info from CCRM! I think gettign multiple opinions (whatever they are) will help you feel like you have all the info needed to make the right choice for you!

waiting and wishing said...

I always told myself if I wasn't SURE of my doctor/clinic I'd get a second opinion. I never had to, but I think it is a great idea!!! Wishing you all the best!

eryka {from abcde} said...

I love G&B too! Ps. Send you guys good vibes!
XOXO
E

Non Sequitur Chica said...

I have a few people that I know that have gone to CCRM. A few things you should know- once you have a consultation with a doctor, that is your doctor. Unlike in other practices where you can switch doctors if you don't like their demeanor, you can't do that CCRM. Second, my friends have told me that Dr. Schoolcraft doesn't have a great bedside manner so if you are wanting a doctor that is a bit more touchy-feely, you may want to talk to one of the other doctors. Finally, because of the G & B show, Dr. Schoolcraft is really busy- you may want to take that into consideration.

Here's hoping you won't need a second opinion from CCRM!

AMY MICHELE said...

Ok. One fertility girl to another.
Once you try a procedure and it fails - you tend to second guess everything. Because we put so much faith and hope in the first one. Don't second guess yourself or your doctor. You chose him/her for a reason - so unless you 'for some reason' don't get this round.. have faith. It's hard to say that & hear it, I know! but it's true. The stress over everything can hurt you too.
I recommend that you research the procedure and medicine because it helps you ask questions with your Dr. It also helps you feel like you have a sense of control too - i researched everything.
The last recommendation is to understand that these treatments can take multiple tries before they take effect.. not everyone has a success story on the first or second try. It's easier said then done - but try to relax, have faith in your Dr & don't compare your body & experience to someone else. we are all different and need different things.. I hope this helps. I'm praying for you.. and I know how hard this is.. honest. <3, Amy

kharini said...

Have you decided on a doctor yet?

Laura Rahel said...

I adore Guilianna and Bill too. They seem like such genuinely good people.
Wanted to tell you about this CD I just bought, called "Help with Fertility"
It's a fertility meditation that I got on the reccomendation of another blogger whose going through IVF and its been so helpful. It's got 4 different chapters for the different stages we go through in our journey- from affirmations that we are able, worthy people to healing after failed treatments. It really helps to relax you and find peace of mind (or at least it has for her and I).
Anyways, wishing you the best! I got my copy for $8 used on amazon. Worth a try if you're still seeking some peace :)


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1881405656/sr=8-1/qid=1362520186/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1362520186&seller=&sr=8-1

Aubrey said...

I LOVE this post! Here's why:

1. I, too, LOVE G&B and 2. CCRM!!! Eeeeek!!! It's a scary step, but Dr. S. is supposedly one of the best in the nation.

Keep me posted on your consult... We're finally heading out to CO for our ODWU. xoxo

Sarah said...

Jessah- I've totally thought about going to CCRM! I will do one more IVF before doing it though. I'm so glad you guys are trying again. I know that feeling of not having that hope come back. I know with IVF attempt #3 I will have a hard time with hope. We just have to push on though and pray for sanity. Big hugs and can't wait to follow your journey at CCRM. I hope you post about everything so I can figure out how to do it if the time comes for me. :) FX for you!
Sarah

Sarah said...

Oh no- I think I lost my comment to you! I will rewrite. :) I wanted to say that I also love G and B. :) LOVE them. I got hooked a couple years back... I've thought of going to CCRM too but I think I'll do one more IVF before moving on to them. I'm excited to watch your journey with them as hopefully you show me how it's done if comes to that. I know what you mean about losing that hope. I agree and I feel the same. I'm so glad you guys are trying again... this process is exhausting. I'm sending so many prayers and hugs your way. :)
Sarah

Molly and Jason said...

he's my dr and is the best....does not sugar coat it, he will tell you exactly what he thinks and what you should do. call now.....hard to get into. but if you need anything while out here in Denver - I am 20 miles from the clinic....very blessed for that. good luck!! stillnotpregnant.blogspot.com

Fash Boulevard said...

My hope and prayers are with you. A baby is right around the corner. :) Fabulous post, love. If you get a sec, I'm sharing my surprise gift from Lauren Conrad on my blog today as well as a giveaway. I'd love if you'd swing by. xo

www.fashboulevard.blogspot.com

JM said...

Hi Dear, good luck with Schoolcraft at CCRM. As a veteran infertile with 3 failed IVFs I definetely reccomend looking for a second opinion. My experience on a call with Schoolcraft at CCRM was not the best. It lasted 5 mins and all he reccomended was doing the exact same thing my first Doctor did which had 0 embryos to transfer both times. He just said his lab would make the difference... It sounded to me like he did not review my records, and I do not regret yet going to a different fertility clinic. The third cycle was cancelled, and it is yet to proof if I will ever be successful but I do not see myself going to them. I better go to a place where my doctor takes the time to review my history,and do not rely on their lab results to reccomend a protocol as if every patient was he same... Just my two cents based on my experience. Get their opinion but do not trust on them just because they have the best statistics.

Em said...

Okay, this CCRM place is coming up again and again and again. It's really making me question my own clinic and doctor. I have a friend who did 4/5 failed cycles with my doc and then went to CCRM and got pregnant her first cycle. Apparently the CCRM doc said that my doc (her former doc) was crazy to have her on those meds/doses. And then on the other hand, we have a fifteen-month-old IVF baby as a result of our first cycle with our current doc. It's all so confusing! Do we start spending the extra money on airfare/hotels to make sure we have the best of the best treatment, or do we stick with our local clinic because we've had success with them before? I have no idea.

makeyourownluckblog said...

Dr Schoolcraft was my doctor and I think he is amazing. I wouldn't hesitate to refer anyone to him. I think it's a great idea for you to make an appointment for a second opinion with him. Hopefully it gives you some peace of mind before you start everything again.
I'm a fan of Giuliana and Bill too, I actually randomly found their show when I was on bed rest from my first transfer and she had just had her first transfer that resulted in a miscarriage. Then it was really interesting to see her go to the same doctor I was seeing, I even got my husband to watch a few episodes.

Amber said...

It's always good to get a second opinion. It doesn't hurt! I am looking forward to cheering you on in your next cycle!

Chappy said...

I love G and B, cried through some reruns this weekend. After two failed IVF cycles at the first clinic we went to we are making the move to a different clinic in for our 3rd IVF at the end of April. I was scared to make the change but they are using a different protocol, they tested me for natural killer cells and since they are elevated I will have an intralopid treatment. I am glad my husband convinced me to get a second opinion.

Laura said...

I have to admit, I have never watched the show. I didn't realize that CCRM was such a high profile clinic until I told a good friend of mine that we were going to use them for our IVF. She filled me in, she admires Giuliana so much that she named her daughter after her. I really need to watch the show, I hear nothing but good things.

Anyways, I think this is a great idea, you will feel much better after getting that second opinion. I know you were taking a little break from everything for a while, I'm glad to hear you're jumping back in the TTC saddle. :)

Sending prayers your way!

Dream Chase said...

I have heard nothing but amazing things about CCRM. I'm so excited that you are going to have your consult with them and I know your next IVF will be the one. *hugs* girl! I'm sending you good thoughts and prayers!

Denise Lopatka said...

praying for you sweet girl!!

ps - so glad i found your blog. your heart is beautiful :) xox

Something Brought You Here said...

Always go with your gut feeling. If you think you need a second opinion then get one, be your own advocate. You aren't a doctor but you have intuition and it may just end up being the best thing you did!
XO,
Whitney

Ashley said...

Thinking of you!! Those questions you are asking yourself are legit! If a doctor told me that I had to jump to get pregnant I would say how high! You just trust that thy know best!!

Love G and B!!

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